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Tired Of Being Asked To Work For Free, This Artist Started Drawing These Client Requests
@forexposure_txt is a Twitter account dedicated to compiling quotes from artists who were expected to work for free. It was created by artist and writer Ryan Estrada, and we previously wrote about it here.
Well now an artist has decided to take some of those quotes and use them to inspire various portraits of what she imagines those people look like. They're part of a series titled "For Exposure," and they were created for Format Magazine by Emmie Tsumura, a Toronto-based illustrator and graphic designer. Check out some of our favorites below. If you're an artist then chances are that more than a few of them will resonate with you!
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Fundamental misunderstanding of the mediums of art. Physical mediums, each and every single one of them, have their own advantages and limitations. Digital media has advantages and limitations as well. All of them require technique, skills, time, energy and material. If you don't have money to pay for art, you don't get art.
Just curious, I have no knowledge over the subject. Is something like watermarking not possible to prevent stealing?
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"Sure, I'll show Joanne. The charge for that will be double what it costs for me to do them."
"Actually make that triple, since I'm losing a repeat customer here.."
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So... you're saying you want to hire me as a consultant right? That's a paying gig too.
I feel like these people don't even think of what they're saying, sometimes. My boss used to always complain that workers in her company don't do MORE than they are supposed to do, without asking for money. I mean, excuse me, woman. Would YOU work extra for free, so that someone can earn more money from it??
Your not paying me for the 20 minutes it took me to design your cards! Your paying me for the Thirty years it took me to learn how to do it and do it fast! Tell Joanne to buy a book on color theory 101, design principles 101, digital design he 101, Adobe illustrator 101, and a dozen other books
This has actually happened to me... It was suggested that I teach a free class to a client's staff member... smh
I tell them just as a lawyer, accountant and plumber are not asked or expected to work for free, neither do I, a professional graphic artist. It's called art WORK for a reason. I have invested time and money to acquire the skills, experience and expert knowledge, the hardware and software none of which can be shared with your secretary to get the same results. What I have learned by going to school, continuing my education with events, tutorials, workshops, classes etc. cannot be taught to someone in an hour or so. Nor do I participate in contests, do spec work, or do work for exposure or a nice portfolio piece. I work for money, just as you do.
Can you teach me how to make EVERYTHING you make, so I never have to place an order and support your small business. And please dont charge ME !!! Thanks
"sure, actually i could give her a full course about it. It will only take 20 hours or something, we could also slip in a few things about work ethics and designing, since she can't seem to make this, if you want... I think I can squeze them in 40h maybe 100h. Of course, if you are willing to pay by the hour."
My instructional fee is higher than my artist feemail because I still have to create the art and instructing people is way more frustrating.
In reply: "That's fine so long as you pay me to show Joanne how I did the business cards. Oh, and I can only demonstrate a basic design 'cause, you know, Joanne's not a real artist ".
I really don't understand a person who think they'll get a positive answer to this.
Dear God! I had a client ask me something like this, except they wanted me to show them how "to do Illustrator".
Well, to begin with, Joanne, I took a one-year art foundation course, followed by three years qualifying for a degree in Graphic Design. Then I spent a further five years honing my abilities in various design studios before taking the plunge as a freelancer and renting and equipping my own studio space. Here's the current prospectus for the foundation course I did. If you're quick, there might be a couple of places left in this year's intake...
Can you channel Shakespeare to write your emails, because I don't want to read your s**t - you know how it is.
I'll bill you for teaching "Joanne" how to do what I do then, my teaching rate is $100 / hour whether she gets it or not.
Well, I'll be billing you for teaching her, which is more expensive.
Do it, charge them, and then put 'Teaching graphic design to beginners' on your resume.
Client: Why did you send me business card in smaller image? I can't print it! Designer: Yes, will send you printing version after you pay the price. - Worked for me and client even requested some more branding....and paid.. :)
I'd personally guide them to run Satan.exe and burn their CPU. This kind of people do not deserve any less.
The same in interior design, after making 3 different designs for an apartment... then, blaming the husband, then wanting the 4th option, then, not anwering phone... you are not established!
Hah my answer is, oh youd like to hire me as a teacher then? Certainly that ill take x amount of time and cost x amount of dollars.
"Let me see... What rate will you pay for my teaching/instruction?"
if you want me to teach joanne, you have to pay me. if not than you can pay for joanne college tuition. if that don't work for you than internet. Either way, I'm not working for free. I'm in college right now. Do you know how many nights I stayed up doing homework or a project or studying?no you don't. Do you know how many hours i put into learning how to design and use the tools to do it? no you don't. Do you know how much money i have to pay to pay off these loans? no you don't.
Create design and charge the fisherman, or show him how to do his own business cards and die of hunger.
I don't want to be paid by you, either, have Joanne do your immature cards
And in the end the end the artist doesn't receive a single penny out of the hard work he/she might've done, while the business makes thousands of dollars BECAUSE the artwork helped with it. That's "business" for ya!
I love the idea that he's linked the words to faces, great job Ryan! The amount of people who still ask artists to work for free is insane. Artists love their work, sure, but there are many cases where we just have to make money. And this costs time, focus and energy. Whether people want to accept it or not: Being an artist / designer is also a job and it's not always fun.
Sometimes artists shoot themselves in the foot, though. I know a couple who left parts of their portfolio with people "for approval" who later howled that, "It was GIFT! You gave it to us as a sample!" As a full time artist, I don't work for free. Ever.
There's a website dedicated to these situations. It's called Clients from Hell. This kind of stuff gets posted there all the time. I can only attribute these client notions to two attitudes in the general population. 1) Doing almost anything creative (art, writing, etc.) is not "real" work... you know, the kind of work that drenches you in sweat when you do it. 2) If you enjoy it, it's not "real" work. If either of these two conditions are present (and Heaven help you if both are), you should be embarrassed to be paid for what you do.
Yeah, same thing with musicians. As one of them I constantly hear people saying: "ohhhhh it must be very nice for you to connect hobby with work. You have to be very happy!" No, people. It's a job like any other. Of course, it sometimes gives pleasure but there is also very very much hard work which isn't funny.
If you make crochet items or knitted ones for sale it is not uncommon for people to object to the price of the item because it is more than the cost of the yarn. They expect to get your time and skill for free. I have told several people that if they just want to pay for the yarn then go buy some and make it yourself. This is not generally well accepted and has led to hatemail.
This artist, and all artists really, should work up or find a general contract that can easily be adjusted to a given project and not do any work for these entitled jerks until there is a meeting of the minds in writing. A contract is professional and says in no uncertain terms that what you are doing is work that must be paid for. It also gives you a leg to stand on after the work is done to get your money out of said entitled jerks.
The problem is that most of the time, the artists are freelancers and as such, more likely not to receive payment for their work. One of my friends is an illustrator, and she has had to chase down money for delivered work often. They know that artists usually don't have the money to sue them to get payment. They get away with it. It's a question of valuing the work - art in general.
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OOT: As IT Programmer: People think I can teach & edit data in offices program, photoshop, hacking, stalking online profile, fix computer, handphone, laptop, fridge, dishwasher, etc... *and for free of course, coz they use "help, please.."
whoops that link didn't work http://amzn.to/2u4NMNV
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Like anyone in business it is up the them to ensure both parties understand what is expected. In the day of computers everything can be documented so I would just send off a little agreement and work out everything. A deposit should be asked for and if they don't give one then I wouldn't do any work, little time wasted. There is no shame in asking or expecting to be paid for any work someone does, no matter who is doing the asking. My dad was a painter and a drummer and always worked out the details beforehand and always got some upfront money, he had 6 kids to feed.
This will get you lots of exposure. Yes, that's ironic. However, putting a bunch of these up as profile pics and on your website, if you have one, will have the beneficial side effect of driving away any number of non-paying potential "customers." There are a number of old-fashioned words for these people: Leech, soak, freeloader, sandbagger. Also: con artist and thief.
We get at least one request a month to play bagpipes for "exposure". If I want exposure I'll lift my kilt....
the issue is that (whether print art or musician) people will continue to have no esteem and show up with free art. when we put our feet down and tell them to pay us, we will be paid. i went to the juilliard school of music and it was demanded of me often (still is) to play for free. i was offered a "job" about 10 years ago with the Loveland (CO) "opera company". there were over 30 services (1.5-3 hours each - rehearsals and performances) and the pay for 70+ hours was about $250.00. i told the director that i would not be able to make 4 services and was summarily told that my pay would be docked. now, in LA or NY (where i had been a union member, a service is compensated about $250/service. when i told her that i would not be able to play for less than $3.00 an hour - i was afterall a juilliard grad, she told me - screaming - "you'll never work in this town again" a week later i booked jobs for $150/hour. so... have some esteem folks. don't work for nothing.
Can we please put what others say about how much they loved PAYING for ur work That would be so uplifting!!!!
The worst is people with other jobs who do what the artist does as a hobby [I am talking about professional photography in this case] and do it for a pittance or free, because [it's their hobby], thus bringing down the market in the area. If plumbers or hairdressers would do this it would be devastating. Just imagine some rich bltch opening a salon for the lulz [it's her hobby] and charging next to nothing. They are basically saying "get a 'proper' job like mine." Insulting and patronizing.
Either the part-timers product would be so bad that it doesn't affect the market for the professional (bad work for no or little money), or the part-timers product is comparable, in which case maybe the "professional's" product isn't worth as much as they think it is.
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I relate so much to this! As a photographer there is no end to the request for freebies
Fun and gut wrenching all at once. Nice work Emmie, cool brush and ink work.
I was a translator with my own limited company when before I went on pension. Don't ever let anybody take advantage of you. The tax authorities will be on your side if you report the free loaders. "You owe me a favour" is nonsense on any language.
I hate automatic corrections...in any language
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If I had $100 for each time I did something for the "profile"...I'd be getting paid.
I'm all over this-I have reached a very ripe old age and STILL get these sort of answers-and a wall of silence/butthurt when I dare to mention money...yet ,of course they would never consider doing anything for free....I really hate it-in NZ,we are conditioned to feel uncomfortable speaking about money;so it makes it even harder....
"I won't share it unless we work together. Otherwise it's your property". Thanks Roland you sure know how to make me feel special and work for free.
Draw a hat. Is a baseball cap that has blue lines with black stripes on the rounded crown and black and white checkered pattern on the S peak extended front.
The ones above that I have personally experienced: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (Bali, not Jordan though), 7, 9, 10, 12
In my years as a commercial illustrator I heard a lot of similar comments from potential clients. I always remember a quote, the author of I can't remember but he had gone to interview Picasso and saw a sketch in the trash, picked it up and asked if he could have it. I also forget the amount of money Picasso said he could have it for, but it was in the thousands. I got it.
this is the same attitude that insists that teachers don't need to get paid. I'm sorry if you hate your job, but just because someone loves their job doesn't mean that they do it for free.
We the artists have to draw the line and know our limits. Sometimes we certainly can offer pro bono work but repeatedly asking for pro bono work is an abuse of professionalism.
All contractors (in construction esp) submit proposals, then, if approved, submit a contract with 30%/30%/30% payment schedule. This seems reasonable to me for artwork. Either way, written contract is mandatory. Emails count.
Did Bored Panda pay the artist for these cartoons? They're great, hope the website got the point...
Hey, mr. Gas man, how about you fill my tank for free, and I will tell everyone what great service you give? Or you, mr. Grocer. Hook me up with some free meat out of the goodness of your heart? Or you, mrs. Landlady. Let me live here rent free out of support for the artistic community? No? Then..DON'T ASK FOR ANY FREE ART!
I am not a graphic artist. I am an IT professional and I get this all the time. People want me to "look" at their computer or mobile device. For nothing of course.
""Oh, you work in computers? Can you fix mine? I can't seem to log into my email...." "Um, I'm a Project Manager. And I'm not on the clock right now. My bill rate is $185/hr." Usually telling people your bill rate shuts them up in any context. I'm a freelance photographer and when I smell "... hey can you take these pictures of my family for me?" the first thing I say is "my bill rate is $150/hr" the conversation is over.
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Artists, yes, but writers have been in this particular stew for centuries! I have a client who has owed me over $10,000 for YEARS!
Hi guys. I'm more of a part time freelancer. Once my boss at work asked me if I could draw portraits of all the supervisors including hi self. When I asked how much would he pay? He looked at me and chuckled "pay?" it's for the department, be a team player." I then chuckled and said $2000 or forget the whole thing. He looked annoyed and said $2000? Are u nuts? I just walked away and said forget the portraits boss just hang pictures lol
This is funny considering Bored Panda NEVER gives credit to the people who make their background music for their videos. Word is spreading...
This is funny considering Bored Panda NEVER give or list the credits for people who make the background tracks for their videos. SMH. Just found out the word is spreading....
Lots of people in other industries also get asked to do unpaid work. It's not just in the creative industry. I've been asked to run analysis beyond the demands of the project, or even to do collect additional data for free, with the client justifying it as "an opportunity to try an analysis you wouldn't usually do". There are too many people who think that just because a product / service does not have a intangible end result, it costs nothing.
I do hope that the artist is being paid for boredpanda's use of their art to generate advertising revenue
There's actually a transaction here, not cash and not "exposure." The artist gets control over content. Boredpanda provides hosting services at no cost to the artist; think of it as rent-free billboard space.
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So many of these drawings speak to me. I am being asked to do work for nothing and to give away a few things is fine but when demands are made an no mention WHAT SO EVER of sharing profits is discussed, I am making myself less and less available now. They cannot get what is in my head on their own and they cannot take photos like I can... Im sure if shoe was on other foot, they would be upset. I need to put food on my table and a roof over my head. How do you all stop the madness? I should be compensated for my work!
I think this is amazing. Right now, several of those drawings speak to me. I dont mind giving a few things away but when people start demanding my time and not offering me a DIME.... Im beginning to be less and less available. Favors dont pay my bills. Shanon
It's not just artists who are asked to work for free! I'm a digital marketing consultant and I get "offers" almost every week to work on start-ups for a share of future profits. Seriously?
great work but hard to accept these kind of people... no more talking ever...
The reason people think they can get away w/o paying is because there are so many poor artists willing to do it. Same with any cheap labor.
I think it's the up-and-coming artists who agree to do things for free. Poor artists will settle for little pay, and might end up cheated out of that anyway, with no recourse. How do you sue someone when you barely have enough money for bills?
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I think the artist is racist. I see only drawings of white people there.
Are you joking 😂 there were asians in there too lol
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I love the idea that he's linked the words to faces, great job Ryan! The amount of people who still ask artists to work for free is insane. Artists love their work, sure, but there are many cases where we just have to make money. And this costs time, focus and energy. Whether people want to accept it or not: Being an artist / designer is also a job and it's not always fun.
Sometimes artists shoot themselves in the foot, though. I know a couple who left parts of their portfolio with people "for approval" who later howled that, "It was GIFT! You gave it to us as a sample!" As a full time artist, I don't work for free. Ever.
There's a website dedicated to these situations. It's called Clients from Hell. This kind of stuff gets posted there all the time. I can only attribute these client notions to two attitudes in the general population. 1) Doing almost anything creative (art, writing, etc.) is not "real" work... you know, the kind of work that drenches you in sweat when you do it. 2) If you enjoy it, it's not "real" work. If either of these two conditions are present (and Heaven help you if both are), you should be embarrassed to be paid for what you do.
Yeah, same thing with musicians. As one of them I constantly hear people saying: "ohhhhh it must be very nice for you to connect hobby with work. You have to be very happy!" No, people. It's a job like any other. Of course, it sometimes gives pleasure but there is also very very much hard work which isn't funny.
If you make crochet items or knitted ones for sale it is not uncommon for people to object to the price of the item because it is more than the cost of the yarn. They expect to get your time and skill for free. I have told several people that if they just want to pay for the yarn then go buy some and make it yourself. This is not generally well accepted and has led to hatemail.
This artist, and all artists really, should work up or find a general contract that can easily be adjusted to a given project and not do any work for these entitled jerks until there is a meeting of the minds in writing. A contract is professional and says in no uncertain terms that what you are doing is work that must be paid for. It also gives you a leg to stand on after the work is done to get your money out of said entitled jerks.
The problem is that most of the time, the artists are freelancers and as such, more likely not to receive payment for their work. One of my friends is an illustrator, and she has had to chase down money for delivered work often. They know that artists usually don't have the money to sue them to get payment. They get away with it. It's a question of valuing the work - art in general.
Load More Replies... OOT: As IT Programmer: People think I can teach & edit data in offices program, photoshop, hacking, stalking online profile, fix computer, handphone, laptop, fridge, dishwasher, etc... *and for free of course, coz they use "help, please.."
whoops that link didn't work http://amzn.to/2u4NMNV
Load More Replies... Like anyone in business it is up the them to ensure both parties understand what is expected. In the day of computers everything can be documented so I would just send off a little agreement and work out everything. A deposit should be asked for and if they don't give one then I wouldn't do any work, little time wasted. There is no shame in asking or expecting to be paid for any work someone does, no matter who is doing the asking. My dad was a painter and a drummer and always worked out the details beforehand and always got some upfront money, he had 6 kids to feed.
This will get you lots of exposure. Yes, that's ironic. However, putting a bunch of these up as profile pics and on your website, if you have one, will have the beneficial side effect of driving away any number of non-paying potential "customers." There are a number of old-fashioned words for these people: Leech, soak, freeloader, sandbagger. Also: con artist and thief.
We get at least one request a month to play bagpipes for "exposure". If I want exposure I'll lift my kilt....
the issue is that (whether print art or musician) people will continue to have no esteem and show up with free art. when we put our feet down and tell them to pay us, we will be paid. i went to the juilliard school of music and it was demanded of me often (still is) to play for free. i was offered a "job" about 10 years ago with the Loveland (CO) "opera company". there were over 30 services (1.5-3 hours each - rehearsals and performances) and the pay for 70+ hours was about $250.00. i told the director that i would not be able to make 4 services and was summarily told that my pay would be docked. now, in LA or NY (where i had been a union member, a service is compensated about $250/service. when i told her that i would not be able to play for less than $3.00 an hour - i was afterall a juilliard grad, she told me - screaming - "you'll never work in this town again" a week later i booked jobs for $150/hour. so... have some esteem folks. don't work for nothing.
Can we please put what others say about how much they loved PAYING for ur work That would be so uplifting!!!!
The worst is people with other jobs who do what the artist does as a hobby [I am talking about professional photography in this case] and do it for a pittance or free, because [it's their hobby], thus bringing down the market in the area. If plumbers or hairdressers would do this it would be devastating. Just imagine some rich bltch opening a salon for the lulz [it's her hobby] and charging next to nothing. They are basically saying "get a 'proper' job like mine." Insulting and patronizing.
Either the part-timers product would be so bad that it doesn't affect the market for the professional (bad work for no or little money), or the part-timers product is comparable, in which case maybe the "professional's" product isn't worth as much as they think it is.
Load More Replies... I relate so much to this! As a photographer there is no end to the request for freebies
Fun and gut wrenching all at once. Nice work Emmie, cool brush and ink work.
I was a translator with my own limited company when before I went on pension. Don't ever let anybody take advantage of you. The tax authorities will be on your side if you report the free loaders. "You owe me a favour" is nonsense on any language.
I hate automatic corrections...in any language
Load More Replies... If I had $100 for each time I did something for the "profile"...I'd be getting paid.
I'm all over this-I have reached a very ripe old age and STILL get these sort of answers-and a wall of silence/butthurt when I dare to mention money...yet ,of course they would never consider doing anything for free....I really hate it-in NZ,we are conditioned to feel uncomfortable speaking about money;so it makes it even harder....
"I won't share it unless we work together. Otherwise it's your property". Thanks Roland you sure know how to make me feel special and work for free.
Draw a hat. Is a baseball cap that has blue lines with black stripes on the rounded crown and black and white checkered pattern on the S peak extended front.
The ones above that I have personally experienced: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 (Bali, not Jordan though), 7, 9, 10, 12
In my years as a commercial illustrator I heard a lot of similar comments from potential clients. I always remember a quote, the author of I can't remember but he had gone to interview Picasso and saw a sketch in the trash, picked it up and asked if he could have it. I also forget the amount of money Picasso said he could have it for, but it was in the thousands. I got it.
this is the same attitude that insists that teachers don't need to get paid. I'm sorry if you hate your job, but just because someone loves their job doesn't mean that they do it for free.
We the artists have to draw the line and know our limits. Sometimes we certainly can offer pro bono work but repeatedly asking for pro bono work is an abuse of professionalism.
All contractors (in construction esp) submit proposals, then, if approved, submit a contract with 30%/30%/30% payment schedule. This seems reasonable to me for artwork. Either way, written contract is mandatory. Emails count.
Did Bored Panda pay the artist for these cartoons? They're great, hope the website got the point...
Hey, mr. Gas man, how about you fill my tank for free, and I will tell everyone what great service you give? Or you, mr. Grocer. Hook me up with some free meat out of the goodness of your heart? Or you, mrs. Landlady. Let me live here rent free out of support for the artistic community? No? Then..DON'T ASK FOR ANY FREE ART!
I am not a graphic artist. I am an IT professional and I get this all the time. People want me to "look" at their computer or mobile device. For nothing of course.
""Oh, you work in computers? Can you fix mine? I can't seem to log into my email...." "Um, I'm a Project Manager. And I'm not on the clock right now. My bill rate is $185/hr." Usually telling people your bill rate shuts them up in any context. I'm a freelance photographer and when I smell "... hey can you take these pictures of my family for me?" the first thing I say is "my bill rate is $150/hr" the conversation is over.
Load More Replies... Artists, yes, but writers have been in this particular stew for centuries! I have a client who has owed me over $10,000 for YEARS!
Hi guys. I'm more of a part time freelancer. Once my boss at work asked me if I could draw portraits of all the supervisors including hi self. When I asked how much would he pay? He looked at me and chuckled "pay?" it's for the department, be a team player." I then chuckled and said $2000 or forget the whole thing. He looked annoyed and said $2000? Are u nuts? I just walked away and said forget the portraits boss just hang pictures lol
This is funny considering Bored Panda NEVER gives credit to the people who make their background music for their videos. Word is spreading...
This is funny considering Bored Panda NEVER give or list the credits for people who make the background tracks for their videos. SMH. Just found out the word is spreading....
Lots of people in other industries also get asked to do unpaid work. It's not just in the creative industry. I've been asked to run analysis beyond the demands of the project, or even to do collect additional data for free, with the client justifying it as "an opportunity to try an analysis you wouldn't usually do". There are too many people who think that just because a product / service does not have a intangible end result, it costs nothing.
I do hope that the artist is being paid for boredpanda's use of their art to generate advertising revenue
There's actually a transaction here, not cash and not "exposure." The artist gets control over content. Boredpanda provides hosting services at no cost to the artist; think of it as rent-free billboard space.
Load More Replies... So many of these drawings speak to me. I am being asked to do work for nothing and to give away a few things is fine but when demands are made an no mention WHAT SO EVER of sharing profits is discussed, I am making myself less and less available now. They cannot get what is in my head on their own and they cannot take photos like I can... Im sure if shoe was on other foot, they would be upset. I need to put food on my table and a roof over my head. How do you all stop the madness? I should be compensated for my work!
I think this is amazing. Right now, several of those drawings speak to me. I dont mind giving a few things away but when people start demanding my time and not offering me a DIME.... Im beginning to be less and less available. Favors dont pay my bills. Shanon
It's not just artists who are asked to work for free! I'm a digital marketing consultant and I get "offers" almost every week to work on start-ups for a share of future profits. Seriously?
great work but hard to accept these kind of people... no more talking ever...
The reason people think they can get away w/o paying is because there are so many poor artists willing to do it. Same with any cheap labor.
I think it's the up-and-coming artists who agree to do things for free. Poor artists will settle for little pay, and might end up cheated out of that anyway, with no recourse. How do you sue someone when you barely have enough money for bills?
Load More Replies... I think the artist is racist. I see only drawings of white people there.
Are you joking 😂 there were asians in there too lol
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