Anti-vaxxers are still out there. They do not care that health organizations, doctors, and scientists agree that vaccines are safe and effective. They just repeat their mantras. Recently, an anti-vaxxer even turned one into a Philosoraptor meme. Asking why is his unvaccinated kid a danger to the vaccinated ones (assuming that vaccines work) they thought they were exposing a quirky paradox. Luckily, someone took the time to completely obliterate it. Reddit user u/Slackbeing posted the entire thing on the subreddit r/MurderedByWords where it has already received over 53k upvotes. We can only hope that the person who made the meme has read it as well. Not all who wander are lost.
Some people think that there is little benefit in giving children vaccinations because the risk of contracting vaccine-preventable diseases is so low. Sadly, this is a harmful anti-vaccination myth. According to an article by Medical News Today, “Vaccine-preventable disease rates have dropped because immunization is now a widespread and common practice. In recent years, however, the number of people contracting vaccine-preventable diseases has increased. Research has found that children who do not undergo immunization are a contributing factor to this troubling trend.”
Thanks to “herd immunity,” so long as a large majority of people are immunized, even the unimmunized minority will be protected. With so many people resistant, infectious disease simply won’t get the change to establish itself and spread. This is very important because there will always be a portion of the population (for example, infants, pregnant women, elderly) that can’t receive vaccines.
However, if too many people aren’t getting vaccinates, they start building a collective danger, opening up opportunities for viruses and bacteria to establish themselves, mutate, and spread.
Here’s what people said about the response
And some of the comments once again show us the real problem of disagreement, people just can't take being criticized and prefer to expose their kids and other kids to terrible diseases instead of simply accept that "I might be wrong about that...". The prevalent thought seems to be; "If I'm too stupid to understand what someone else is trying to explain, he is an a*****e for using the proper words." It's unfathomable that the dumbest people are those that are the most convinced. Well, I have no clue about anything, except that all those doctors know it better than me and I'm pretty sure they won't get rich with vaccines, which mostly get sold at the production cost..
"It's unfathomable that the dumbest people are those that are the most convinced" Acctually no, there is a lot of Scientific studies that has looked at this. And it is very common. The less you know about something, the more sure you are that you know all that there is to know about it. It almost goes back to Socrates. But it is still very sad and a big Public problem.
Load More Replies...Well, we can't have autistic dogs running about the place now, can we?
Load More Replies...Take all the antivaxxers and their kids, put em all on an island and we'll see how quick they wipe themselves out. If course I don't mean literally so don't be all WhY wOuLd YoU sAy ThAt but antivaxxing is child endangerment.
On a previous post, I also said they should be put on an island, but too bad if they arrive, and have a virus, too late for help !!!
Load More Replies...I went to med school. Aced immunology, microbiology, physiology, blah blah blah. And if I see *one* more "FYI it's hygeine and nutrition that killed off disease", I am going to freaking flip. We had an 8-year-old boy die of SSPE (look it up) b/c he'd had measles as an infant. We saw kids hospitalized with measles-related pneumonia and encephalitis. In the USA. In the 1990s. So, no, a clean house and good diet do not save your life, but a vaccine can. And, oh yeah, if you do get a disease after vaccination? You often get a milder form. Sorry, but... I couldn't get my MD because I couldn't take the death. I admit it. I wussed out. Went into lab stuff instead. The pediatrics internship... Yeah, that.... No. BTW, my mom was 45 years a nurse and saw babies born deadf b/c the moms got measles. So... attend the autopsy of a child dead of measles and talk to me again about how it's all hype for profit... Sorry, sorry, this is why I left medicine, I couldn't do it after that day, I couldn't.
I wouldn't be able to either, far too soft! Thank you for sharing your knowledge - just wish people would listen to those who genuinely do know and not some random z-lister who has the medical knowledge of a woodlouse.
Load More Replies...I suggest anti-vaxxers visit Afghanistan and sub-Saharan Africa. Children *DIE* from diseases these idiots think are less dangerous than vaccines. And so do adults. (And why is this anti-vax thing such an Anglo thing? Geez.)
It isn't. I live in germany and we have here also demonstrations of this idiots demanding kids deaths cause they want to prevent them from getting vaccinated.
Load More Replies...I have an immune deficiency. I have had all of my vaccinations, but am still at high risk of contracting these diseases. I'm terrified of antivaxxers because I don't want to die of something stupid and preventable like measles.
I'm the same I so hear you, measles has broken out over the country it makes it worrying to go out
Load More Replies...Can we have the anti-vaxxers go hang out with the social media influencers? Just sayin. Also... I LOVE the pox rat comment.
See what you did there - trying to get rid of the SMI gang. Good idea, let the AVX crowd infect the SMI's and have the SMI's promote their no-nutrition fad diets destroy the AVX'rs immunoresponse capabilities by malnutrition and deficiencies... Mutually assured destruction - for the good of everyone else =D
Load More Replies...This is just my opinion, but not vaccinating your children is a clear sign that you don't care about them and that you don't care about anyone else. All of these diseases that the vaccines were created for are deadly and to refuse to protect your child from them is just plain irresponsible. When I was little I was one of the sickly kids that missed a lot of school. If antivaxxing had been a thing when I was a kid I would not be typing this comment. I would be dead from some preventable disease. The anti vax research has been debunked and even some of its biggest supporters have retracted their statements. If you are a parent, it is your job to protect your child from anything that could harm them, so please vaccinate your children. This is not about parental rights this is about life and death.
On the contrary, for most parents who don't vaccinate, it's out of genuine concern over their contents (like Mercury), and genuine care for their kids. Whether or not they're correct is another matter, but the hysteria some have over unvaccinated kids AND the insults hurled at their parents is unfounded.
Load More Replies...When my friend's daughter was little, she was known as, "My little Disease Vector".
Load More Replies...I saw a scary comment saying to not care about anti-vaxx and just leave them be. But that's the problem. You can't. They are ruining the system. Not just getting their own kids sick, but others too and posing an actual threat to the whole population. So leaving them be is not an option and thinking that it is (don't make a fuss) might be even more dangerous. Because also not getting it, totally immune from any sense of danger and with that facilitating dangerous behaviour. Edit. They oppose the force that fights the baddies. That's what I'm saying I guess.
To channel Ian Malcolm, what an egomaniacal a*****e you are. We don't post a threat. Humanity isn't going to die out from us.
Load More Replies...I'm vaccinated, my kids are vaccinated. We are all fine and healthy, and safe in the knowledge that they are highly unlikely to get a preventable disease. Plus we aren't a risk to those who can't be immunised
I'm unvaccinated. My sibligs are unvaccinated. We are all fine and healthy, and safe in the knowledge that the hysteria over not being vaccinated is unfounded, that we're not any more a risk to those who can't be immunised than those that are immunised, and that we're not going to die from smallpox or some other deadly disease.
Load More Replies..."Herd immunity" requires a 95% vaccination rate by the entire population. We aren't anywhere near that number for any vaccine in the US.
I wonder what people would have said, during the plague that there was a remedy that would save them, from getting the plague, but some group of people mentioned that it could possibly cause autism. Would they have taken the risk of the black death too??
The earth is quickly being over populated. Maybe from a different perspective, the anti-vaxxer's are inadvertently helping mother earth ?
You have to. O side the fact of exposure to the virus or disease, and it is more than possible to be exposed, be in the incubation time frame, get vaccinated and then, get the disease! Doesn't mean the vaccine caused the disease or virus, but you were most likely exposed and then got it while you were already exposed!
Apart from the risks anti-vaxers pose to society, it is a matter of natural selection after all. (I only pity their unfortunate kids.)
But the anti-vaxxers are more than likely vaccinated. I expect they had sensible parents. Most of this stems from Andrew Wakefield's rubbish 'research'. That man will have a special place in hell.
Load More Replies...Although I think the pox rat thing is SUPER FUNNY, I wouldn't call a kid that wants to be vaxxed a pox rat bc it isn't they're choice. BUUTTT if they r ok with not being vaxxed POX RAT POX RAT YOU ARE A POX RAT
Unfortunately, the problem has so many facets it's doubtful that any two people are arguing about the same thing. John Q. Public knows very little about healthcare in general, next to nothing about the technology behind it so the explanations fall on uncomprehending ears, and disinterested ones. Our educational system is doing nothing to correct this ignorance, or any other technical aspects of our society which is why our lives will get progressively worse as money is diverted to entertainment ( laughable what these stars make ) and protecting our energy interests.
These people that attack the children of non vaxers are bigger a******s than the parents who don’t vax or delay vaccines. Do they really think calling the kids names helps their cause? What good is it to attack the kids? Pox rat? Really? I have heard worse and all it does is push people away. I’m all for delayed vaxing. BABIES should NOT get all that stuff put into their system at such a young age. Didn’t need it 20 yrs ago, why do we need it now?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, 'HOW MANY OF THESE ANTI-VAXXERS WERE ACTUALLY VACCINATED AS CHILDREN'..?? majority l bet, hence why they made it to adulthood..
It seems most of us agree that vaccinations are necessary --- because they trust the science. And yet many of those same people don't believe that climate change is happening -- because they don't trust the science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMl0ty6evhU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNmj6Ug-a4A
Load More Replies...I'm totally on board with the science and the facts here, but by being so snarky, mean and angry the original poster may have alienated that person forever. That's not helpful. I get being angry, frustrated and just plain DONE with the amount of stupidity and willful ignorance around us 24/7 but alienating people because of it does not make change for the better more possible, it makes it less probable. And that's not good. I know it's reeeeeally hard to remain civil (I almost reamed out a good friend today for a comment that really pissed me off, only just managing to not do so by a supreme act of will) sometimes but if we don't we only make things worse. I do like "pox rat," though... That's darn accurate. And the comment about velociraptors and feathers? FABULOUS.
One out of 10,000 people who get the flu shot get GBS. This auto immune disease attacks the nervous system. The pharmaceutical company puts a chemical in the vaccine to make more effective? ? ? The drug company has millions to pay the people who get life threatening reactions. There is no other medicine that has the high of life threatening side effects.
It's called 'herd immunity'. Until that asshat in England published that bogus, b******t paper that vaccines 'cause autism', (which he was arrested and jailed for,) this was a non-issue- except for the few that had 'religious objections'. So now, unless every immunosuppressed person, including babies, wears a sign stating such status, anyone unvaccinated stands a chance of being responsible for that person's death, should they get ill with a preventable disease. Maybe a good polio/diptheria/measles epidemic would knock them out of their self entitled selfishness. I worked in Pediatrics for years as an RN, and the hoops I had I to go through to convince super educated professionals that the vaccines are safe was ridiculous. Looking at you, Boulder, CO.
Lots of ridiculous zillion-syllable double-talk to make people think you are smart, when all you can really claim is your willingness to sell your soul for money. The bottom line is (as with all capitalist endeavors) that vaccines generate billions of dollars for corporations who in truth don't give a damn about the health of your children, and, in fact actually WANT them sick for the sake of profits. Their whole purpose is to create an extended source of humongous capital for these predatory chemical peddlers, who subsist off your basest fears and manipulation propaganda, such as this piece here. Nature has given us a more than adequate immune system, which is completely destroyed at the birth of every child via virtually FORCED vaccine programs based on lies and flimsy so-called "settled science" (which any real scientist knows is impossible by the very definition of science. All this thanks to the primary purpose of the vaccines -- MONEY AND POWER! Never forget this FACT.
Every newborn is in danger from parents like you. Babies can't get vaccinated immediately and your ignorance could kill them.
As a previous cancer resarch scientist. I can emphatically state that many classes of chemotherapeutic agent, given chronic exposure, can indeed damage DNA and give rise to neoplasms - or growths that can be either benign or malignant.
Agreed. That said, are these nuts suggesting that chemo is the original source of cancer? Why would anyone who does not have cancer receive chemo in the first place? Chicken and egg situation. (Yes, some chemotherapeutics are used to treat non-cancerous diseases. I know; I’m taking one.) The author David Rakoff died of a cancer that he developed as a result of cancer treatment from a previous cancer.
Load More Replies...thought it was funny and true - but the pox rat remark was uncalled for. these poor kids can't help what their lunatic parents do.
Sorry, I mean you were already exposed to the virus when you got vaccinated.
If it wasn't for the social damage anti-vaxxers cause, it is a natural selection after all.
The poster was more making fun of the parent than the child when they called the person a pox rat IMO since they later specified the uneducated parent was to blame. It is not very black and white that Chemo causes cancer. It is much more nuanced. Depending on how chemotherapy is use there is a small increase in the risk of a certain type of Leukaemia. From the link below "It is important to add that the therapeutic benefit from adjuvant chemotherapy in early stage breast cancer is compelling, and is of a different order of magnitude than the estimated risk of secondary leukaemia." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3756867/
Load More Replies...Ignorance can never be justification for leaving children at risk of deadly disease and the people refusing to vaccinate their children are ignorant. It's that simple. They aren't using research, results, years of knowledge and experience. You want to call people out for bullying? How about the emotional bullying carried out by the anti-vaxx crowd. If people have to be forced by law to comply in order to protect children and sick people so be it. I don't give a f**k if people don't like it and neither do the majority of decent, right-thinking people. So shove your smugmageddon.
Load More Replies...And some of the comments once again show us the real problem of disagreement, people just can't take being criticized and prefer to expose their kids and other kids to terrible diseases instead of simply accept that "I might be wrong about that...". The prevalent thought seems to be; "If I'm too stupid to understand what someone else is trying to explain, he is an a*****e for using the proper words." It's unfathomable that the dumbest people are those that are the most convinced. Well, I have no clue about anything, except that all those doctors know it better than me and I'm pretty sure they won't get rich with vaccines, which mostly get sold at the production cost..
"It's unfathomable that the dumbest people are those that are the most convinced" Acctually no, there is a lot of Scientific studies that has looked at this. And it is very common. The less you know about something, the more sure you are that you know all that there is to know about it. It almost goes back to Socrates. But it is still very sad and a big Public problem.
Load More Replies...Well, we can't have autistic dogs running about the place now, can we?
Load More Replies...Take all the antivaxxers and their kids, put em all on an island and we'll see how quick they wipe themselves out. If course I don't mean literally so don't be all WhY wOuLd YoU sAy ThAt but antivaxxing is child endangerment.
On a previous post, I also said they should be put on an island, but too bad if they arrive, and have a virus, too late for help !!!
Load More Replies...I went to med school. Aced immunology, microbiology, physiology, blah blah blah. And if I see *one* more "FYI it's hygeine and nutrition that killed off disease", I am going to freaking flip. We had an 8-year-old boy die of SSPE (look it up) b/c he'd had measles as an infant. We saw kids hospitalized with measles-related pneumonia and encephalitis. In the USA. In the 1990s. So, no, a clean house and good diet do not save your life, but a vaccine can. And, oh yeah, if you do get a disease after vaccination? You often get a milder form. Sorry, but... I couldn't get my MD because I couldn't take the death. I admit it. I wussed out. Went into lab stuff instead. The pediatrics internship... Yeah, that.... No. BTW, my mom was 45 years a nurse and saw babies born deadf b/c the moms got measles. So... attend the autopsy of a child dead of measles and talk to me again about how it's all hype for profit... Sorry, sorry, this is why I left medicine, I couldn't do it after that day, I couldn't.
I wouldn't be able to either, far too soft! Thank you for sharing your knowledge - just wish people would listen to those who genuinely do know and not some random z-lister who has the medical knowledge of a woodlouse.
Load More Replies...I suggest anti-vaxxers visit Afghanistan and sub-Saharan Africa. Children *DIE* from diseases these idiots think are less dangerous than vaccines. And so do adults. (And why is this anti-vax thing such an Anglo thing? Geez.)
It isn't. I live in germany and we have here also demonstrations of this idiots demanding kids deaths cause they want to prevent them from getting vaccinated.
Load More Replies...I have an immune deficiency. I have had all of my vaccinations, but am still at high risk of contracting these diseases. I'm terrified of antivaxxers because I don't want to die of something stupid and preventable like measles.
I'm the same I so hear you, measles has broken out over the country it makes it worrying to go out
Load More Replies...Can we have the anti-vaxxers go hang out with the social media influencers? Just sayin. Also... I LOVE the pox rat comment.
See what you did there - trying to get rid of the SMI gang. Good idea, let the AVX crowd infect the SMI's and have the SMI's promote their no-nutrition fad diets destroy the AVX'rs immunoresponse capabilities by malnutrition and deficiencies... Mutually assured destruction - for the good of everyone else =D
Load More Replies...This is just my opinion, but not vaccinating your children is a clear sign that you don't care about them and that you don't care about anyone else. All of these diseases that the vaccines were created for are deadly and to refuse to protect your child from them is just plain irresponsible. When I was little I was one of the sickly kids that missed a lot of school. If antivaxxing had been a thing when I was a kid I would not be typing this comment. I would be dead from some preventable disease. The anti vax research has been debunked and even some of its biggest supporters have retracted their statements. If you are a parent, it is your job to protect your child from anything that could harm them, so please vaccinate your children. This is not about parental rights this is about life and death.
On the contrary, for most parents who don't vaccinate, it's out of genuine concern over their contents (like Mercury), and genuine care for their kids. Whether or not they're correct is another matter, but the hysteria some have over unvaccinated kids AND the insults hurled at their parents is unfounded.
Load More Replies...When my friend's daughter was little, she was known as, "My little Disease Vector".
Load More Replies...I saw a scary comment saying to not care about anti-vaxx and just leave them be. But that's the problem. You can't. They are ruining the system. Not just getting their own kids sick, but others too and posing an actual threat to the whole population. So leaving them be is not an option and thinking that it is (don't make a fuss) might be even more dangerous. Because also not getting it, totally immune from any sense of danger and with that facilitating dangerous behaviour. Edit. They oppose the force that fights the baddies. That's what I'm saying I guess.
To channel Ian Malcolm, what an egomaniacal a*****e you are. We don't post a threat. Humanity isn't going to die out from us.
Load More Replies...I'm vaccinated, my kids are vaccinated. We are all fine and healthy, and safe in the knowledge that they are highly unlikely to get a preventable disease. Plus we aren't a risk to those who can't be immunised
I'm unvaccinated. My sibligs are unvaccinated. We are all fine and healthy, and safe in the knowledge that the hysteria over not being vaccinated is unfounded, that we're not any more a risk to those who can't be immunised than those that are immunised, and that we're not going to die from smallpox or some other deadly disease.
Load More Replies..."Herd immunity" requires a 95% vaccination rate by the entire population. We aren't anywhere near that number for any vaccine in the US.
I wonder what people would have said, during the plague that there was a remedy that would save them, from getting the plague, but some group of people mentioned that it could possibly cause autism. Would they have taken the risk of the black death too??
The earth is quickly being over populated. Maybe from a different perspective, the anti-vaxxer's are inadvertently helping mother earth ?
You have to. O side the fact of exposure to the virus or disease, and it is more than possible to be exposed, be in the incubation time frame, get vaccinated and then, get the disease! Doesn't mean the vaccine caused the disease or virus, but you were most likely exposed and then got it while you were already exposed!
Apart from the risks anti-vaxers pose to society, it is a matter of natural selection after all. (I only pity their unfortunate kids.)
But the anti-vaxxers are more than likely vaccinated. I expect they had sensible parents. Most of this stems from Andrew Wakefield's rubbish 'research'. That man will have a special place in hell.
Load More Replies...Although I think the pox rat thing is SUPER FUNNY, I wouldn't call a kid that wants to be vaxxed a pox rat bc it isn't they're choice. BUUTTT if they r ok with not being vaxxed POX RAT POX RAT YOU ARE A POX RAT
Unfortunately, the problem has so many facets it's doubtful that any two people are arguing about the same thing. John Q. Public knows very little about healthcare in general, next to nothing about the technology behind it so the explanations fall on uncomprehending ears, and disinterested ones. Our educational system is doing nothing to correct this ignorance, or any other technical aspects of our society which is why our lives will get progressively worse as money is diverted to entertainment ( laughable what these stars make ) and protecting our energy interests.
These people that attack the children of non vaxers are bigger a******s than the parents who don’t vax or delay vaccines. Do they really think calling the kids names helps their cause? What good is it to attack the kids? Pox rat? Really? I have heard worse and all it does is push people away. I’m all for delayed vaxing. BABIES should NOT get all that stuff put into their system at such a young age. Didn’t need it 20 yrs ago, why do we need it now?
I've said it before and I'll say it again, 'HOW MANY OF THESE ANTI-VAXXERS WERE ACTUALLY VACCINATED AS CHILDREN'..?? majority l bet, hence why they made it to adulthood..
It seems most of us agree that vaccinations are necessary --- because they trust the science. And yet many of those same people don't believe that climate change is happening -- because they don't trust the science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMl0ty6evhU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNmj6Ug-a4A
Load More Replies...I'm totally on board with the science and the facts here, but by being so snarky, mean and angry the original poster may have alienated that person forever. That's not helpful. I get being angry, frustrated and just plain DONE with the amount of stupidity and willful ignorance around us 24/7 but alienating people because of it does not make change for the better more possible, it makes it less probable. And that's not good. I know it's reeeeeally hard to remain civil (I almost reamed out a good friend today for a comment that really pissed me off, only just managing to not do so by a supreme act of will) sometimes but if we don't we only make things worse. I do like "pox rat," though... That's darn accurate. And the comment about velociraptors and feathers? FABULOUS.
One out of 10,000 people who get the flu shot get GBS. This auto immune disease attacks the nervous system. The pharmaceutical company puts a chemical in the vaccine to make more effective? ? ? The drug company has millions to pay the people who get life threatening reactions. There is no other medicine that has the high of life threatening side effects.
It's called 'herd immunity'. Until that asshat in England published that bogus, b******t paper that vaccines 'cause autism', (which he was arrested and jailed for,) this was a non-issue- except for the few that had 'religious objections'. So now, unless every immunosuppressed person, including babies, wears a sign stating such status, anyone unvaccinated stands a chance of being responsible for that person's death, should they get ill with a preventable disease. Maybe a good polio/diptheria/measles epidemic would knock them out of their self entitled selfishness. I worked in Pediatrics for years as an RN, and the hoops I had I to go through to convince super educated professionals that the vaccines are safe was ridiculous. Looking at you, Boulder, CO.
Lots of ridiculous zillion-syllable double-talk to make people think you are smart, when all you can really claim is your willingness to sell your soul for money. The bottom line is (as with all capitalist endeavors) that vaccines generate billions of dollars for corporations who in truth don't give a damn about the health of your children, and, in fact actually WANT them sick for the sake of profits. Their whole purpose is to create an extended source of humongous capital for these predatory chemical peddlers, who subsist off your basest fears and manipulation propaganda, such as this piece here. Nature has given us a more than adequate immune system, which is completely destroyed at the birth of every child via virtually FORCED vaccine programs based on lies and flimsy so-called "settled science" (which any real scientist knows is impossible by the very definition of science. All this thanks to the primary purpose of the vaccines -- MONEY AND POWER! Never forget this FACT.
Every newborn is in danger from parents like you. Babies can't get vaccinated immediately and your ignorance could kill them.
As a previous cancer resarch scientist. I can emphatically state that many classes of chemotherapeutic agent, given chronic exposure, can indeed damage DNA and give rise to neoplasms - or growths that can be either benign or malignant.
Agreed. That said, are these nuts suggesting that chemo is the original source of cancer? Why would anyone who does not have cancer receive chemo in the first place? Chicken and egg situation. (Yes, some chemotherapeutics are used to treat non-cancerous diseases. I know; I’m taking one.) The author David Rakoff died of a cancer that he developed as a result of cancer treatment from a previous cancer.
Load More Replies...thought it was funny and true - but the pox rat remark was uncalled for. these poor kids can't help what their lunatic parents do.
Sorry, I mean you were already exposed to the virus when you got vaccinated.
If it wasn't for the social damage anti-vaxxers cause, it is a natural selection after all.
The poster was more making fun of the parent than the child when they called the person a pox rat IMO since they later specified the uneducated parent was to blame. It is not very black and white that Chemo causes cancer. It is much more nuanced. Depending on how chemotherapy is use there is a small increase in the risk of a certain type of Leukaemia. From the link below "It is important to add that the therapeutic benefit from adjuvant chemotherapy in early stage breast cancer is compelling, and is of a different order of magnitude than the estimated risk of secondary leukaemia." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3756867/
Load More Replies...Ignorance can never be justification for leaving children at risk of deadly disease and the people refusing to vaccinate their children are ignorant. It's that simple. They aren't using research, results, years of knowledge and experience. You want to call people out for bullying? How about the emotional bullying carried out by the anti-vaxx crowd. If people have to be forced by law to comply in order to protect children and sick people so be it. I don't give a f**k if people don't like it and neither do the majority of decent, right-thinking people. So shove your smugmageddon.
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