“But It’s Only 1% Fatal!” Person Shuts Down Covidiots By Giving Some Gruesome Numbers Of Possible Victims
“How can a disease with 1% mortality shut down the United States?” Writer and business owner Franklin Veaux tackled this question on Quora by going into detail about the real dangers of Covid-19 that go beyond the number of people who lost their lives.
Keep in mind, dear Pandas, that it’s very difficult to calculate the actual mortality rate of the coronavirus, especially since we don’t know the real number of people infected. You can get wildly different numbers depending on the source, so it’s easy to get confused. There are also different ways to calculate these rates and they mean different things. Talking about the case fatality rate is different from the crude fatality rate and the infection fatality rate.
However, even if the fatality percentage is low, as Veaux points out, the actual number of people that the virus kills, damages, and affects is still huge.
Franklin Veaux analyzed why Covid-19 is so dangerous and what its theoretical impact could be
Veaux used various studies to extrapolate the numbers of people who would be hospitalized and would have permanent damage by assuming a hypothetical infection rate of 100 percent and a mortality rate of 1 percent.
In other words, his infection numbers are a worst-case scenario (though he calls them conservative) but they illustrate why it’s important to take care of your health and wear a mask in public spaces.
One thing to keep in mind is that Veaux mentions that for every person who dies, 19 more require hospitalization and 18 of those have permanent heart damage. This can’t be the case for obvious reasons. However, the writer later cites a study that found that 19 percent of hospitalized patients showed signs of heart damage. Veaux probably did not mean to mislead anyone and simply made a (very) human error.
The writer’s numbers could also be slightly off because of the natural limitations of the studies that he references. The coronavirus pandemic is still relatively new and more research needs to be done before anyone can state for certain that for every X people who die from Covid-19, Y will be hospitalized, and of those, Z will have conditions A, B, and C. Rushed small-scale studies can give us the ballpark but not the specifics.
Some of the sources include:
What we know (so far) about the long-term health effects of Covid-19
Here are two of the studies that Veaux references in this bit: you can find them here and here.
What We Know About the Long-Term Effects of COVID-19
The writer provided three more links for this part of his answer: you can find the sources here, here, and here.
Lifelong Lung Damage: A Serious COVID-19 Complication
He added three more links in this chunk of his answer. You can find his sources here, here, as well as here.
What we know (so far) about the long-term health effects of Covid-19
Heart damage
Veaux added two more studies about heart damage which you can find here and here.
The number of people who died, were hospitalized, and were affected would also have to be adjusted by time, as well as by geographical location. Do we focus on just the newest Covid-19 numbers by referring to a rolling 7-day-average? Or do we take into account the aggregate number over the entire pandemic since it began? What regions, countries, and states are we looking at, and at what point during the quarantines? There are a lot of specifics that we ought to keep in mind if we want to know the full accurate picture.
So while Veaux’s analysis of the situation required a lot of effort on his part and his sketches of the general picture as to why the coronavirus was able to shut down the US, take the actual numbers he presents with a grain of salt—he’s not a scientist (nor does he claim to be one).
Image credits: Franklin Veaux
According to the World Health Organization, there are currently over 12.88 million confirmed Covid-19 infections in 216 countries, areas, and territories all over the globe. More than 568.5k have lost their lives because of or while infected with the virus. Over 3.28 million cases of infections were confirmed in the US, and over 134.7k lost their lives. Meanwhile, Johns Hopkins University claims that there are over 13.1 million confirmed cases globally, more than 573k people lost their lives; of these, over 3.36 million cases and 135.6k deaths are in the US.
It’s natural to have a lot of questions during the pandemic, especially when different sources have slightly different statistics: if you want to check out the various myths surrounding the coronavirus outbreak, have a look at the WHO’s page right here.
Here’s how people reacted to Veaux’s informative answer on Quora
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Share on FacebookOne detail that the research is omitting, is that almost any covid19 survivor had to undergo to icu, they were put sedated for weeks, which compromises muscolar funcionalities on so many levels at the extent also young patients need weeks of rehab. Elderly often won't move asay a wheelchair for the rest of their lives.
Which in the US means a ridiculously enormous hospital bill at the end of it, so some people will probably opt to die rather than bankrupt themselves and their families—-a variation on the familiar theme of people here not going to the doctor for other ailments/minor injuries when they should, because of the crippling cost, even with good health insurance.
Load More Replies...Maybe try counter-asking "How did an event that killed less than 0.001% stop the country, start a messy war and keeps being remembered?" about 9/11 and see if anyone doesn't call you (rightly, of course!) horrible names.
Not a very useful comparison - 9/11 only stopped air travel for a few days, and most businesses in the US were not directly affected.
Load More Replies...In the US, the current death rate as of today is 4%. 3,370,000 cases, 137,000 deaths. That we know of.
Keep in mind that 4% is a minimum. You can't fully count a death rate until each case is 'closed' as either recovered or dead. If you remove the active cases then the number will be higher
Load More Replies...Thank you for this! Facts are important - now maybe more than ever. At least in my lifespan until now, there never was such a great amount of misinformation like today about Covid. It is the first time a disease is actually treated like an opinion - which is totally stupid. Sadly, it won't just backfire on those neglecting their responsibilities in preventing the disease's spread, it will affect people who did no wrong and took great care, so ... please, spread words, spread knowledge instead of diseases! Don't let a single neglectist get away with it, don't ever allow this to happen - speak up for the truth whereever intent of misinformation is showing its ugly face.
Sad part of this very clear explanation is that covidiots will stop reading at as soon as their "expert opinion" is challenged. They'll say that they won't believe some random stranger on the internet who did some calculations which don't proof anyhting at all. Ironically they also say that they do believe some random stranger on the internet who did some calculations which debunked everything that experts said.
I suppose they are called 'covidiots' for a reason...
Load More Replies...Um, mortality rate is higher than 1%; also, acording to multiple, recent studies, immunity seems to wear off quickly and reinfections have been reported all aroud the world - and the second time around seems to manifest into a more serious form of the disease (something that happens with other viral diseases, like dengue fever). Also, the virus seems to attack ALL the organs and systems, therefore, in the absence of an efficient antiviral, lifelong sequelae are expected (see what the SARS survivors are living with now). And it is aVERY LONG disease for the hospitalised patients, and that also puts a lot of strain on the hospitas and the health care workers - that have to care for other patients, too! Please, please, take this virus seriously and do whatever you can to contain and limit and maybe stop the spread!!!
That's for the US so you should also take into account how many people can afford the healthcare now
Until more recently, we couldn't know *MORBIDiTY* (complications of survivors). Concerning? Hell yes. Do we panic? No. We react with *reason*. Mask. Soap. Distance. We also don't know if all complications post-Covid are for life, or will ease over time, or what. It's all too new. But the scariest thing remains *people*. The ones who don't mask. The ones who hoard. The ones who panic and decide jobs are worth more than lives, or decide we should never leave home again. As terrifying as this is right now? It could be worse in the future. (Will people infected but asymptomatic develop issues later?) It could be better. (Greater understanding of how the virus hits the body so we can help soften the effects, lessen the morbidity as well as mortality.) It could be both at once. Bottom line: Wash. Distance. Mask. Calm good. Panic bad. Peaceout
The vast majority of this looks accurately stated. Apart from this: "For every one person who dies, 19 more require hospitalization. 18 of those will have permanent heart damage." 18 patients with heart damage out of 19 hospitalized is 95%. But lower down, the data cited is that "out of 416 hospitalized covid-19 patients, 19% showed signs of heart damage." Using that 19% figure, of 19 patients hospitalized, 3 or 4 would have permanent heart damage. I don't think the author is being deliberately misleading, but this is misstated.
Too many people are too lazy to proof read stats. You did and you already proved this person to be misleading. Props to you for not being lazy.
Load More Replies...There's a study that was just done that said people who don't follow the cdc guidelines during the pandemic have low cognitive ability. Meaning they're not intelligent enough to understand. CovIDIOTS is a proper term. I pity them. Google it bc I don't have the source on hand
I think a lot of them are just ignorant and stubborn. They won't listen to facts because it challenges their beliefs.
Load More Replies...My mother, brother, and I have asthma and my dad has breathing problems already. An illness that attacks the lungs could really hurt us. I don't wear the mask because I am a sheep, I wear it to protect the people I love and other people that I share this planet with. If you have a legitimate reason not to wear the mask that's fine, but not wearing one just to be difficult is not right. It will not kill you to wear a mask for a few minutes. It will kill people if they get coronavirus from you because of your selfishness.
Well said. You have concerns for your vulnerable family members. The viral videos show young and apparently healthy people screaming their lungs out. You of all people should know that if they truly had lung conditions they could not scream like that. They could be infecting other people while screaming at them.
Load More Replies...When a friend told me that 1% isn't that much, I asked him how many friends did he had in facebook, told me about 600, then I told him to kill 6 of them, to think how he felt if 6 of them randomly died in the span of 3 months... and he got it.
Right! In some sense, numbers don't even matter. LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE DYING. Who says "well, 1%, you know, that's not that bad. I'd wear a mask if it was 3%." They would sing a different tune if 95% of their family was in the 1%. How about we aim for ZERO more deaths?
Load More Replies...I really think more information should be publicized about side effects that linger when Covid doesn't kill you. (check out Long Haulers) Those alone should be enough of an incentive for people to try to be proactive and wear a mask dammit.
In France during the last 20 years we let consecutive governments completely destroy the public health system, while still firmly believing it was the best in the world - we still have it almost free though, not like in the US, but ruthless cost-killer management has made the infrastructure very poor and the profesionals are exhausted and very angry now. We haven't had so much spreading of the Covid so far, but according to the official number of cases (210,000) I'm afraid the death rate (30,000) is MUCH higher than 1%...
The Current mortality rate is closer to 4 percent in the US based on current death toll and cases reported. So quadrupole all those numbers. Now explain to me why you won't wear a mask for 30 minutes while you shop.
For people who ask that question 3, 782, 000 people are just 1%..... till somebody from their own family, someone close to them dies, and then it's a whole different story.
Keep in mind that US have rather high obesity rate (42.2% as of 2017/18 according to CDC). So we’re talking about possibly higher fatality rate in US especially the South where obesity is higher. Also, US kids and teens are at higher risk for complications or deaths from COVID-19 because they’re not overall as healthy as kids in some of other countries while we’re talking about reopening schools. Not surprised US is getting full burnt of pandemic compared to other countries because of American diet (partially)... I’ve been eating well nutrition wise and exercise when I have chance. It will help not get it so badly during pandemic
I thought it was 1% of the people who catch Covid die. This is saying 1% of everyone will die. Can someone clear that up for me?
Covid death rate ranges from 1% up to 8% or more depending on country, state, county. Number of beds, ventilators, medical professionals, and more, play a part in survivability. But we STILL don't know what we don't know as far as who gets it and survives or dies. We know of some risk factors, but it isn't guaranteed. America's death rate as of today is 4% overall, and we have fairly good medical in the larger cities that were hardest hit first. As the virus gets into more rural (and GOP leaning) places, there are fewer ICUs, less compliance with known safety practices, which will lead to greater mortality. In the end, 100% of people will die. If you don't want to die in this horrible way, wear your mask, social distance, wash your hands, follow safety guidelines EVEN IF THEY CHANGE EVERY DAY. Local governments are doing everything they can to stop this, even if the country leaders are lax about it.
Load More Replies...Franklin Veaux is also a perpetual abuser of women under the guise of polyamory, see https://polyamory-metoo.com/ Cheers!
One of the biggest crises of the past 100 years, and some idiot is still not understanding about the fatality rate versus hospitalization rates and what it would do if everyone got this at once?! If you couldn't be bothered to read up on that by mid-last-March, then I don't think you should be crossing the street without assistance. They HAD to shut down a plant in Minnesot a BECAUSE everyone there got it all at once.
So that's what Franklin looks like! Love him on Quora, talks so much sense
The truth is that we will never know the real story about this because of the political Bias through media missteps, social fanaticism, and federal incentive funding that is skewing any chance of really knowing the true facts. We could have done the same thing with the FLu each year, but history has already proved the issues around than Pandemic from 1918.
Okay, here is how Covid has affected the U.S. The U. S. population is about 4% of the entire world. But we have more than 25% of the confirmed cases and more than 25% of the deaths. A few months ago, many Americans truly believed that it would never hit "our" shores. It was just a "rest of the world" problem. Those figures are pretty disturbing. Our hospitals are at near capacity in states like Texas where I live. And there are still people who dont take it seriously and take precautions. Our Governor made masks manditory earlier this month. And you still have people throwing tantrums.
None of this will change the mind of antimaskers, antivaxxers and other covidiots. They get their information from Facebook and Youtube... do you think they’ll suddenly believe an expert? The only ones that change their minds are the ones who see the effects of covid up close, either by being infected themselves or people close to them. I propose covid-camps (with fully equipped hospitals and staff) where we send all those covidiots to get infected and they stay there until they die or are cured.
Anyone not thinking it's serious, will change their mind, once people they know begin to die, or they find out that they are positive, and either die, or transmit the virus to everyone they know. And on their death bed, I didn't know... well, listen dammit, to people who do know and are telling you, wear that mask!! I haven't been in my home since March because I wasn't to be!!! Get real, it's a virus and it doesn't care if you believe or not. Unless we protect ourselves, it will come for you and it will do what it wants.
I wonder how many of these covidiots were around when HIV/AIDS began to spread and lost their sh*t then.
Even with that I knew people who were 'if I get it, I get it'. The problem with humans is that average intelligence isn't actually very smart at all.
Load More Replies...Jonas and Denis, are you aware that 11 women and NB folk have come forward with their stories of abuse and harm from their relationships with him? He has also taken their stories and used them to build a brand as a relationship expert and sex educator. He has no background or expertise in bio-statistics or science communication. There are better and more reliable ways to get information out rather than platforming an armchair expert who has several credible alligations of abuse against him. www.itrippedonthepolystair.com
Stop guessing. If herd immunity is reached things change. If immunization found, things change. Do we risk the entire economy of the USA for 1% of the population? In every battle there is an acceptable loss. You want to throw out a bunch of numbers based upon the of cases seen so far most of which were aged person's. Don't risk the economic stability and mental health of the nation over s**t you still don't know s**t, it's mutating so ....
a lot of his calculations in his post are incorrect. For example: Even just the sources that are part of the post say 19% of Hospitalized patients showed heart damage. But he calculates 19% of the total population not 19% of the people who are hospitalized. I'm not sure where he got the rate of hospitalizations: he said there would be ~62 mil. that's about 19%, which is higher than hospitalization rates for any age group that I have seen fro the United States (cdc says there's a ~18% hospitalization rate for people 85 and up, by far the highest rate of all age groups). I understand the point he is making, and agree that people should wear masks, there's no good reason not to. But if you're going to compile data to try and give an accurate picture of what is happening (or will happen), then you need a actually understand what the stats are and how reliable and accurate they are. and you have to know how to properly calculate percentages. It is irresponsible to spread false information.
There were more than 62000 New cases in the US on July 13th alone. Saying that people not following safety rules won't lead to more cases is NOT helpful. They have a long way to go before things are ok again (although, yes, panicking wouldn't help).
Load More Replies...What exactly do you do in healthcare? I've seen your other comments telling people they are being sheep and 'not keeping their immune systems up to date'. When people are vague it doesn't tend to be because they're a virologist or an epidemiologist, for example.
Load More Replies...You. Are. Joking. Right? Ever breathed with your mouth open? Ever notice the masks cover NOSES, too? Ever realize that you could be ASYMPTOMATIC and shed virus when you talk, cough, sing, sneeze? Try that without your mouth. You can give and get the virus ANY WAY THAT REACHES THE LUNGS. That includes your mouth. ________ BGW, WHO THE HE** IS HEALTHY? We can't get tested until we GET SICK where most of us live.
Load More Replies...When you think about it we're all sheep. Some of follow shepherds that tell us to err on the side of caution, others are following shepherds who tell'em it's all a myth. BETTER TO WERE IT AND NOT NEED IT, THAN TO WISH I HAD!!!! Kinda like looking both ways before I cross the street
Load More Replies...One detail that the research is omitting, is that almost any covid19 survivor had to undergo to icu, they were put sedated for weeks, which compromises muscolar funcionalities on so many levels at the extent also young patients need weeks of rehab. Elderly often won't move asay a wheelchair for the rest of their lives.
Which in the US means a ridiculously enormous hospital bill at the end of it, so some people will probably opt to die rather than bankrupt themselves and their families—-a variation on the familiar theme of people here not going to the doctor for other ailments/minor injuries when they should, because of the crippling cost, even with good health insurance.
Load More Replies...Maybe try counter-asking "How did an event that killed less than 0.001% stop the country, start a messy war and keeps being remembered?" about 9/11 and see if anyone doesn't call you (rightly, of course!) horrible names.
Not a very useful comparison - 9/11 only stopped air travel for a few days, and most businesses in the US were not directly affected.
Load More Replies...In the US, the current death rate as of today is 4%. 3,370,000 cases, 137,000 deaths. That we know of.
Keep in mind that 4% is a minimum. You can't fully count a death rate until each case is 'closed' as either recovered or dead. If you remove the active cases then the number will be higher
Load More Replies...Thank you for this! Facts are important - now maybe more than ever. At least in my lifespan until now, there never was such a great amount of misinformation like today about Covid. It is the first time a disease is actually treated like an opinion - which is totally stupid. Sadly, it won't just backfire on those neglecting their responsibilities in preventing the disease's spread, it will affect people who did no wrong and took great care, so ... please, spread words, spread knowledge instead of diseases! Don't let a single neglectist get away with it, don't ever allow this to happen - speak up for the truth whereever intent of misinformation is showing its ugly face.
Sad part of this very clear explanation is that covidiots will stop reading at as soon as their "expert opinion" is challenged. They'll say that they won't believe some random stranger on the internet who did some calculations which don't proof anyhting at all. Ironically they also say that they do believe some random stranger on the internet who did some calculations which debunked everything that experts said.
I suppose they are called 'covidiots' for a reason...
Load More Replies...Um, mortality rate is higher than 1%; also, acording to multiple, recent studies, immunity seems to wear off quickly and reinfections have been reported all aroud the world - and the second time around seems to manifest into a more serious form of the disease (something that happens with other viral diseases, like dengue fever). Also, the virus seems to attack ALL the organs and systems, therefore, in the absence of an efficient antiviral, lifelong sequelae are expected (see what the SARS survivors are living with now). And it is aVERY LONG disease for the hospitalised patients, and that also puts a lot of strain on the hospitas and the health care workers - that have to care for other patients, too! Please, please, take this virus seriously and do whatever you can to contain and limit and maybe stop the spread!!!
That's for the US so you should also take into account how many people can afford the healthcare now
Until more recently, we couldn't know *MORBIDiTY* (complications of survivors). Concerning? Hell yes. Do we panic? No. We react with *reason*. Mask. Soap. Distance. We also don't know if all complications post-Covid are for life, or will ease over time, or what. It's all too new. But the scariest thing remains *people*. The ones who don't mask. The ones who hoard. The ones who panic and decide jobs are worth more than lives, or decide we should never leave home again. As terrifying as this is right now? It could be worse in the future. (Will people infected but asymptomatic develop issues later?) It could be better. (Greater understanding of how the virus hits the body so we can help soften the effects, lessen the morbidity as well as mortality.) It could be both at once. Bottom line: Wash. Distance. Mask. Calm good. Panic bad. Peaceout
The vast majority of this looks accurately stated. Apart from this: "For every one person who dies, 19 more require hospitalization. 18 of those will have permanent heart damage." 18 patients with heart damage out of 19 hospitalized is 95%. But lower down, the data cited is that "out of 416 hospitalized covid-19 patients, 19% showed signs of heart damage." Using that 19% figure, of 19 patients hospitalized, 3 or 4 would have permanent heart damage. I don't think the author is being deliberately misleading, but this is misstated.
Too many people are too lazy to proof read stats. You did and you already proved this person to be misleading. Props to you for not being lazy.
Load More Replies...There's a study that was just done that said people who don't follow the cdc guidelines during the pandemic have low cognitive ability. Meaning they're not intelligent enough to understand. CovIDIOTS is a proper term. I pity them. Google it bc I don't have the source on hand
I think a lot of them are just ignorant and stubborn. They won't listen to facts because it challenges their beliefs.
Load More Replies...My mother, brother, and I have asthma and my dad has breathing problems already. An illness that attacks the lungs could really hurt us. I don't wear the mask because I am a sheep, I wear it to protect the people I love and other people that I share this planet with. If you have a legitimate reason not to wear the mask that's fine, but not wearing one just to be difficult is not right. It will not kill you to wear a mask for a few minutes. It will kill people if they get coronavirus from you because of your selfishness.
Well said. You have concerns for your vulnerable family members. The viral videos show young and apparently healthy people screaming their lungs out. You of all people should know that if they truly had lung conditions they could not scream like that. They could be infecting other people while screaming at them.
Load More Replies...When a friend told me that 1% isn't that much, I asked him how many friends did he had in facebook, told me about 600, then I told him to kill 6 of them, to think how he felt if 6 of them randomly died in the span of 3 months... and he got it.
Right! In some sense, numbers don't even matter. LOTS OF PEOPLE ARE DYING. Who says "well, 1%, you know, that's not that bad. I'd wear a mask if it was 3%." They would sing a different tune if 95% of their family was in the 1%. How about we aim for ZERO more deaths?
Load More Replies...I really think more information should be publicized about side effects that linger when Covid doesn't kill you. (check out Long Haulers) Those alone should be enough of an incentive for people to try to be proactive and wear a mask dammit.
In France during the last 20 years we let consecutive governments completely destroy the public health system, while still firmly believing it was the best in the world - we still have it almost free though, not like in the US, but ruthless cost-killer management has made the infrastructure very poor and the profesionals are exhausted and very angry now. We haven't had so much spreading of the Covid so far, but according to the official number of cases (210,000) I'm afraid the death rate (30,000) is MUCH higher than 1%...
The Current mortality rate is closer to 4 percent in the US based on current death toll and cases reported. So quadrupole all those numbers. Now explain to me why you won't wear a mask for 30 minutes while you shop.
For people who ask that question 3, 782, 000 people are just 1%..... till somebody from their own family, someone close to them dies, and then it's a whole different story.
Keep in mind that US have rather high obesity rate (42.2% as of 2017/18 according to CDC). So we’re talking about possibly higher fatality rate in US especially the South where obesity is higher. Also, US kids and teens are at higher risk for complications or deaths from COVID-19 because they’re not overall as healthy as kids in some of other countries while we’re talking about reopening schools. Not surprised US is getting full burnt of pandemic compared to other countries because of American diet (partially)... I’ve been eating well nutrition wise and exercise when I have chance. It will help not get it so badly during pandemic
I thought it was 1% of the people who catch Covid die. This is saying 1% of everyone will die. Can someone clear that up for me?
Covid death rate ranges from 1% up to 8% or more depending on country, state, county. Number of beds, ventilators, medical professionals, and more, play a part in survivability. But we STILL don't know what we don't know as far as who gets it and survives or dies. We know of some risk factors, but it isn't guaranteed. America's death rate as of today is 4% overall, and we have fairly good medical in the larger cities that were hardest hit first. As the virus gets into more rural (and GOP leaning) places, there are fewer ICUs, less compliance with known safety practices, which will lead to greater mortality. In the end, 100% of people will die. If you don't want to die in this horrible way, wear your mask, social distance, wash your hands, follow safety guidelines EVEN IF THEY CHANGE EVERY DAY. Local governments are doing everything they can to stop this, even if the country leaders are lax about it.
Load More Replies...Franklin Veaux is also a perpetual abuser of women under the guise of polyamory, see https://polyamory-metoo.com/ Cheers!
One of the biggest crises of the past 100 years, and some idiot is still not understanding about the fatality rate versus hospitalization rates and what it would do if everyone got this at once?! If you couldn't be bothered to read up on that by mid-last-March, then I don't think you should be crossing the street without assistance. They HAD to shut down a plant in Minnesot a BECAUSE everyone there got it all at once.
So that's what Franklin looks like! Love him on Quora, talks so much sense
The truth is that we will never know the real story about this because of the political Bias through media missteps, social fanaticism, and federal incentive funding that is skewing any chance of really knowing the true facts. We could have done the same thing with the FLu each year, but history has already proved the issues around than Pandemic from 1918.
Okay, here is how Covid has affected the U.S. The U. S. population is about 4% of the entire world. But we have more than 25% of the confirmed cases and more than 25% of the deaths. A few months ago, many Americans truly believed that it would never hit "our" shores. It was just a "rest of the world" problem. Those figures are pretty disturbing. Our hospitals are at near capacity in states like Texas where I live. And there are still people who dont take it seriously and take precautions. Our Governor made masks manditory earlier this month. And you still have people throwing tantrums.
None of this will change the mind of antimaskers, antivaxxers and other covidiots. They get their information from Facebook and Youtube... do you think they’ll suddenly believe an expert? The only ones that change their minds are the ones who see the effects of covid up close, either by being infected themselves or people close to them. I propose covid-camps (with fully equipped hospitals and staff) where we send all those covidiots to get infected and they stay there until they die or are cured.
Anyone not thinking it's serious, will change their mind, once people they know begin to die, or they find out that they are positive, and either die, or transmit the virus to everyone they know. And on their death bed, I didn't know... well, listen dammit, to people who do know and are telling you, wear that mask!! I haven't been in my home since March because I wasn't to be!!! Get real, it's a virus and it doesn't care if you believe or not. Unless we protect ourselves, it will come for you and it will do what it wants.
I wonder how many of these covidiots were around when HIV/AIDS began to spread and lost their sh*t then.
Even with that I knew people who were 'if I get it, I get it'. The problem with humans is that average intelligence isn't actually very smart at all.
Load More Replies...Jonas and Denis, are you aware that 11 women and NB folk have come forward with their stories of abuse and harm from their relationships with him? He has also taken their stories and used them to build a brand as a relationship expert and sex educator. He has no background or expertise in bio-statistics or science communication. There are better and more reliable ways to get information out rather than platforming an armchair expert who has several credible alligations of abuse against him. www.itrippedonthepolystair.com
Stop guessing. If herd immunity is reached things change. If immunization found, things change. Do we risk the entire economy of the USA for 1% of the population? In every battle there is an acceptable loss. You want to throw out a bunch of numbers based upon the of cases seen so far most of which were aged person's. Don't risk the economic stability and mental health of the nation over s**t you still don't know s**t, it's mutating so ....
a lot of his calculations in his post are incorrect. For example: Even just the sources that are part of the post say 19% of Hospitalized patients showed heart damage. But he calculates 19% of the total population not 19% of the people who are hospitalized. I'm not sure where he got the rate of hospitalizations: he said there would be ~62 mil. that's about 19%, which is higher than hospitalization rates for any age group that I have seen fro the United States (cdc says there's a ~18% hospitalization rate for people 85 and up, by far the highest rate of all age groups). I understand the point he is making, and agree that people should wear masks, there's no good reason not to. But if you're going to compile data to try and give an accurate picture of what is happening (or will happen), then you need a actually understand what the stats are and how reliable and accurate they are. and you have to know how to properly calculate percentages. It is irresponsible to spread false information.
There were more than 62000 New cases in the US on July 13th alone. Saying that people not following safety rules won't lead to more cases is NOT helpful. They have a long way to go before things are ok again (although, yes, panicking wouldn't help).
Load More Replies...What exactly do you do in healthcare? I've seen your other comments telling people they are being sheep and 'not keeping their immune systems up to date'. When people are vague it doesn't tend to be because they're a virologist or an epidemiologist, for example.
Load More Replies...You. Are. Joking. Right? Ever breathed with your mouth open? Ever notice the masks cover NOSES, too? Ever realize that you could be ASYMPTOMATIC and shed virus when you talk, cough, sing, sneeze? Try that without your mouth. You can give and get the virus ANY WAY THAT REACHES THE LUNGS. That includes your mouth. ________ BGW, WHO THE HE** IS HEALTHY? We can't get tested until we GET SICK where most of us live.
Load More Replies...When you think about it we're all sheep. Some of follow shepherds that tell us to err on the side of caution, others are following shepherds who tell'em it's all a myth. BETTER TO WERE IT AND NOT NEED IT, THAN TO WISH I HAD!!!! Kinda like looking both ways before I cross the street
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